I’ve thought since before the war started in Afghanistan that the terrorists we’re fighting are a bunch of punks. Great at pushing around women, not bad at IEDing a humvees now and then, but without real grit or intelligence. A bunch of hacks, if you’ll pardon the expression, when it comes to executing innocent civilians. It seems Den Beste has been thinking along the same lines.
A reader of his asked,
“Do you think the recent be-headings in Iraq & Saudi Arabia is out of desperation or a widening of the war? Also do you think we will take out Iran's Nuke capacity before the election. I dread the thought of Iran having even non deliverable nukes.”
To which Den Beste responded,
“I think his question includes an implicit assumption that there is a unified enemy controlled centrally, and that the acts of these groups are intended to contribute to that strategy. It seems to imply that these groups see themselves as part of a larger struggle, and that they are responding to the overall state of the war.
I don't think it's like that. There is no central control at all. Some of the larger groups have operated in ways which indicated that they have something of a strategy, but there is no overall strategy. The groups doing these things are only dimly aware of the overall state of the war, and aren't really thinking of themselves as being part of a force trying to win the war.
Frankly, I think that the recent beheadings are copycat. Daniel Pearl was beheaded, and then a couple of years later, another group beheaded someone, and now other groups have noticed how cool it looked in the video, and the kind of prestige it brought to those who did it, and are imitating the others.
What a bunch of retards. Retards with knives and second hand explosives. If you want to see toughness in an enemy at warfare, compare these tangos to the Imperial Japanese Marines, the SS, or the Red Army. Granted, the Red Army weren’t our enemy at the time, but if you knew they spent hundreds of thousands of lives to take Berlin, you’d know they can be tough.
I often hear calls for us to me more brutal in executing the war, even from generally soft hearted people. What so many fail to realize is the temperance forced on us by nuclear weapons. Not holding back means obliterating our enemies in totality, and that is not something we’re prepared to do, nor would we be justified in doing so.
Yet.
But if Iran were to get The Bomb, and then coincidentally a nuke were to go off in the US, then we would be justified. That’s why we should obliterate all of their nuclear facilities soon – like the day after the election. What else is our fleet of B2’s for?
Den Beste disagrees:
The Iranians have been working on this for a very long time. How many facilities do they have? Where are they all located? If they've already produced enough fissionables for one or more warheads, would they not move that away from the enrichment facilities, and if so, where did they put it?
I don't think it's likely we'll attempt to take out Iran's nuclear program, either before or after the election.
If you try, you have to get it all. If you only get part, you're in deep trouble. If we take out the production facilities, but if they have already produced enough fissionables for one or more bombs and we don't manage to get that, too, what would they do next?
It’s not that DB doesn’t have a point. But I think we’ve seen that waiting for terrorists to come to their senses has been shown to be a failure. And how do you contain or deter a foe who thinks it’s OK to be killed in a holy cause? Maybe Iran does have a bomb stashed away, and probably we couldn’t find it. But if we start snuffing out anything that even
smells like WMD production in that Evil land, maybe they’ll get the message. Or maybe their people, who are not all mad, will be motivated to rise up. Maybe bombing isn’t the total answer, but it’s a start.
The way I see it, if we do nothing about their potential nuclear arsenal, then it’s only a matter of time before they use it against us. But if we act soon, then we might take it out. And the very attempt would ecouragez les autres.
UPDATE
You know, a case could be made that we should have started our 2nd conquest in Iran, not Iraq. After all, the Iranian people have shown much more rebelliousness against the mullahs than the Iraqis did against Hussein, lately. (Then again, about 12 years ago Hussein slaughtered a whole lot of rebels, and there can only be so many in any given generation, yes?) The Iranians have quite a bit of retail American blood and humiliation on their hands, from the embassy outrage to present day support and refuge for Taliban/al Qaeda remnants. Until they started showing their cards, however, they had not displayed (so far as we the public know) a search for wholesale death.
On the other hand, an equally good case could be made for constructive engagement with Iran combined with support for its rebellious elements. Encarta defines Iran as the second most mountainous country (I assume they’re counting Tibet as a province of China, since Burma and Tibet would be gold and silver in mountaineity) and mountains aren’t good land for the Big Red One, the Rock of the Marne, or the 4th ID. Cracking Iran would be a hell of a tough pistachio unless a vital segment of its population had split the seam before we got there. Just like Afghanistan, which was described by one of our commanders as “the most incompetent opponent the Marine Corps has faced since the Barbary Pirates.”
You just don’t know until you try. The fog of war is impenetrable enough while you’re in it; not even Rumsfeld can pierce it in advance.
Nevertheless, I feel it in my gut – and I’m not usually one who goes with the gut before the head – that we really, really need to slap those mullah bitches upside the head in one way or another before it’s too late. It doesn’t matter if we get them all or not. It doesn’t matter if they have a bomb already, are close, are far, or are only bluffing. They need slapping. We could drop an FAE or a micro-nuke on the site of our old embassy. We could obliterate every known nuclear site. We could bomb every site that looked remotely nuclear or WMD to a satellite.
Two things are sure:
1.) Ultimately, only the people of Iran can reform their country, but there’s a lot of room and maybe many 9 - 11 magnitudes of heartache for US between “now” and “ultimately.”
2.) The terrorist religious fanatics running Iran have no respect for diplomatic niceties or subtly nuanced probes.
3.) An almost fanatical devotion to the Pope!